About 45 minutes into the discussion, he shared something with me:
“This is my 5th start-up. I hope it works but…. My wife says, “this is it.” We’re done after this one. I’ll have to go work for some big tech company if this doesn’t work out. We’ve chased this dream for a long time. It’s been real tough to be so close.”
They didn’t make it. The company’s gone. I haven’t kept up with him but I assume his wife ensured he followed her advice.
More here with a bit of a ‘the best are mostly lucky and the smart ones know it’ slant.