Pricing Insurance Risk With Steve Mildenhall and John Major

youtube: https://youtu.be/ZQHpMVH7d9s

episode page: https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/11998732

Why did I do this show?

This is important work and needs to be celebrated and I honestly can’t imagine any other media property than the Not Unreasonable Podcast that could give it proper treatment. Steve and John have achieved something tremendous here in capturing the latest theory and practice of pricing insurance.

What did I learn?

Ho, boy, a great many things in my studying for this. During the show I got the chance to really solidify my understanding of the concept of allocating margin vs allocating capital. Like all brilliant ideas it’s absurdly simple once you get it. For bonus marks I’ll go with Steve explaining Freddy Debean’s remarkable result for how to break a TVAR tie.

What was my favorite part?

There has been some incredible work by incredible researchers that will be used by actuaries for generations to come and we deliberately tried to work in the names of as many of these giants as we could. Insurance, oddly, has too little of a sense of its own intellectual pantheon. It exists! We should better celebrate the intellectual giants that support our work.

Some papers referenced:

Freddy Delbean!
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=mVF1X_UAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao

The paper is *Coherent Risk Measures*
https://link.springer.com/book/9788876423055

As distinct from *Coherent Measures of Risk* which is his top cited paper (and also a good one of course!)

clips:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/david-wright-73661214_stephen-j-mildenhall-and-john-major-set-about-activity-7018206925800538112-FyXI

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/david-wright-73661214_what-is-reinsurance-worth-should-i-buy-it-activity-7018539536934674432-6PR_

What I Learned In 2022 (and the books I read!)

Three things I learned in 2022:

  1. Florida is not weird, insurance is just really hard to get right. For one, it is a community of migrants who don’t totally trust each other yet and, two, it’s massively exposed to hurricanes. Natural disasters put a lot of pressure on the social fabric of any society and Florida’s social fabric is pretty thin! See my episodes with Gary Mormino and Dave DeMott on Florida. For 2023: A hypothesis here is that all disaster prone regions/societies will have dysfunctional insurance industries. Is that true? 
  1. Insurance is an expression of our value system. If you’re an insurer in Florida, for example, you have to be very careful to choose which subculture you want to insure as each will deploy a different set of values in their relationship with an insurer. I wrote an essay describing how it is the job of the insurance underwriter to use moral judgment to assess an insured’s values. See episodes with Howard Kunreuther, Joe Edelman and Jen Brady for discussions of values and insurance and this clip with Stan McChrystal nails it! 
  1. Your social theory only works if you can sell insurance with it. Joe Henrich taught me that we don’t pick our culture, we copy the culture of the prestigious. A lot of people have a problem with a big implication of this: it takes generations for a culture to change. If our treatment of risk is dictated by our culture and culture changes slowly, does that imply that we can’t do anything about newly identified risks? It does! My conversation with Joe Edelman explores some possibilities of another way and I’ve listened to a ton of interviews by Jim Rutt and Jordan Peterson studying this. It feels like something will be discovered here but not yet. Today, political compulsion is the only way to influence behavior reliably and no other theory of motivation is worth a damn. For 2023: What other theories can I test?

My top episodes for this in terms of downloads were: 

  1. Tyler Cowen on Talent
  2. Robin Hanson on Distant Futures and Aliens
  3. Howard Kunreuther on Behavioral Economics of Risk

Someone once asked me to list out the materials I use to prepare for my podcast. This year I studied about 40 books (some are re-reads, very few cover to cover), probably twice that many academic papers, probably 10x that many podcasts and interviews and a huge amount of time just thinking about what on earth I believe about all this stuff. Below are the books on my shelf and in my kindle this year (plus one library book I took back!).

  • Aspiration by Agnes Callard
  • Democracy and Decision by Brennan and Lomasky
  • Nudge by Thaler and Sunstein
  • Moral Economies of Corruption by Steven Pierce
  • Emerging Perspectives on Judgment and Decision Making
  • Thinking, Fast and Slow by Kahneman
  • Team of Teams by McChrystal
  • Leaders by McChrystal 
  • Risk a User’s Guide by McChrystal
  • My Share of the Task by McChrystal
  • Bureaucracy by James Wilson
  • Insurance and Behavioral Economics by Kunreuther
  • Mastering Catastrophic Risk By Kunreuther
  • The Complacent Class by Tyler Cowen
  • Stubborn Attachments by Tyler Cowen
  • Talent by Tyler Cowen
  • Creative Destruction by Tyler Cowen
  • What Price Fame by Tyler Cowen
  • Big Business by Tyler Cowen
  • The Art of Not Being Governed By James Scott
  • The Moral Economy of the Peasant by James Scott
  • The Sociology of Philosophies by Randall Collins
  • Why we Fight by Chris Blattman
  • Diminished Democracy by Skocpol
  • Human Agency and Language by Charles Taylor
  • The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt
  • Self Efficacy by Bandura
  • Self Determination Theory by Ryan and Deci
  • Pricing Insurance Risk by Mildenhall and Major
  • Utilitarianism and Beyond by Amartya Sen
  • The Secret of Our Success by Joe Henrich
  • Seeing Like a State by James Scott
  • The Limits of Organization by Ken Arrow
  • Modern Warfare by Roger Trinquier
  • Risk Society by Ulrich Beck
  • The idea of a social society by Peter Winch
  • Why Democracies Need Science by Collins and Evans
  • Artifictional Intelligence by Harry Collins
  • The WEIRDest people in the world by Joe Henrich
  • The moral foundations of politics by Ian Shapiro
  • Rethinking Expertise by Collins and Evans
  • Land of Sunshine, State of Dreams by Gary Mormino
  • Dreams of a New Century by Gary Mormino
  • Age of Em by Robin Hanson
  • Elephant in the Brain by Robin Hanson

Addendum: I pulled my notes docs from a few of my interviews that listed out academic papers I took notes on. The two sources are the citations from the books above and me applying Cowen’s second law. Mostly these are from deep dives into literatures on Meaning and Motivation. I haven’t captured quite everything here because I don’t always take notes on all the papers. Google Scholar is a ridiculous treasure trove but not all literature is good!

  • Understanding a Primitive Society – Peter Winch
  • The Rapacious Hardscrapple Frontier – Robin Hanson
  • Testing the Automation Revolution Hypothesis – Keller Scholl, Robin Hanson
  • Post-conflict Recovery in Africa: The Micro Level – Blattman
  • Civil War – Blattman
  • Gang Rule – Blattman
  • ENGINEERING INFORMAL INSTITUTIONS – Blattman
  • Forscher, P. S., Lai, C. K., Axt, J. R., Ebersole, C. R., Herman, M., Devine, P. G., & Nosek, B. A. (2019). A meta-analysis of procedures to change implicit measures. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology,
  • Consensus-based guidance for conducting and reporting multi-analyst studies
  • Mapping the moral domain. -Nosek
  • Understanding and Using the Implicit Association Test: I. An Improved Scoring Algorithm – Nosek, Greenwald, Banaji
  • Michie, S., van Stralen, M.M. & West, R. The behaviour change wheel: A new method for characterising and designing behaviour change interventions
  • EVERYONE DESIRES THE GOOD: SOCRATES’ PROTREPTIC THEORY OF DESIRE – Agnes Callard
  • Capability and Well Being – Amartya Sen
  • Equality of What – Amartya Sen
  • Rights and Agency – Amartya Sen
  • Rational Fools – Amartya Sen
  • Putting together morality and well-being – Rachel Chang
  • What is Human Agency – Charles Taylor
  • Utilitarianism and Beyond – Amartya Sen and Bernard Williams
  • The Centered Self – David Velleman
  • Systematic review of meaning in life instruments – Monika Branstatter
  • Beyond the Search for Meaning: A Contemporary Science of the Experience of Meaning in Life – King, Heintzelman, Ward
  • Three Forms of Meaning and the Management of Complexity – Jordan Peterson
  • Meaning and Belonging in a Charismatic Congregation: An Investigation into Sources of Neo-Pentecostal Success – Douglas B. McGaw
  • Finding” meaning” in psychology: a lay theories approach to self-regulation, social perception, and social development – Molden, D. C., & Dweck, C. S.
  • Life is Pretty Meaningful – Heintzelman
  • The three meanings of meaning in life: Distinguishing coherence, purpose, and significance – Frank Martela & Michael F. Steger
  • Routines and Meaning in Life – Heintzelman & King
  • Encounters with objective coherence and the experience of meaning in life – Samantha J. Heintzelman, Jason Trent and Laura A. King
  • (The Feeling of) Meaning-as-Information – Heintzelman & King
  • Motivation to learn: an overview of contemporary theories – David A Cook & Anthony R Artino Jr
  • Motivating the academic mind: High-level construal of academic goals enhances goal meaningfulness, motivation, and self concordance -William E. Davis, Nicholas J. Kelley, Jinhyung Kim,  David Tang, Joshua A. Hicks
  • Motivation for accepting parent values – Ariel Knafo,  Avi Assor
  • Grit: Perseverance and Passion for Long-Term Goals – Duckworth, Angela L., et al
  • Grit, basic needs satisfaction, and subjective well-being -Jin, B., & Kim, J. 
  • Facilitating Internalization: The Self-Determination Theory Perspective – Edward L. Deci, Haleh Eghrari, Brian C. Patrick, Dean R. Leone
  • Regulatory fit: A meta-analytic synthesis – Tamar Avnet
  • Happy Soldiers are Highest Performers – PB Lester

Dave DeMott’s Stories About Florida Insurance

episode: https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/11840226-dave-demott-s-stories-about-florida-insurance

youtube: https://youtu.be/G7iGuLLZNwk

Dave DeMott is President-Elect of The Florida Surplus Lines Association, Chair of the Legislative committee and sits on the national Wholesale & Specialty Insurance Association committee.
Most importantly for today, Dave DeMott is a real, legit, on-the-ground insurance practitioner in Florida. He gets into the real details and war stories about insurance claims in Florida. 

Dave’s introduction to the Florida insurance market. 0:00
What is a lodestar fee multiplier? 5:23
The problem with AOB 12:29
What work is being done to curb predatory behavior by carriers? 19:03
Water damage and leaky roofs  23:15
What’s the distinct about Florida? 29:28
Lobbyists have their golden opportunity.

Why did I do this show?

I have been studying the Florida insurance market and Florida culture generally trying to figure out why Florida is weird. Dave DeMott is a real on-the-ground practitioner with real war stories and we got some in this episode!

What did I learn?

I learned what a one-way attorney’s fee was! If the attorney settles for $1 more in claim payment than the carrier offered, they get their entire fee paid for plus a multiplier. Holy cow!

What was my favorite part?

Here’s my favorite quote: “The very first time you hear about the loss, you get the you get the notice of loss to your claims team. There’s a notice of loss written by the insurance agent, there’s an assigned AOB, a public adjusters contract and a notice of intent to sue all together at once at first loss.” Insurers get sued at the very moment they learn of the claim!!

clips: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/david-wright-73661214_next-week-the-florida-legislature-sits-for-activity-7007081290201997313-yZYr

Mark Friedlander on Problems with Insurance in Florida

youtube: https://youtu.be/g63n9Kgq4CY

episode page:https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/11582094

Why did I do this show?

I’m trying to learn about what the problem is with Florida insurance!

What did I learn?

From Mark I learned some details about fraud rings and how the problem really extends beyond property insurance.

What was my favorite part?

Learning about how property developers are dying to get back into Florida!

Brian Nosek on The Gap Between Values and Practice

podcast link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/11461396

youtube link: https://youtu.be/NkKuF–5V60

Why did I do this show?

Brian has been at the center of two massive social shifts in the last 20 years, first the investigation of implicit bias and second the replication crisis in social sciences.

What did I learn?

Incredibly, I had underestimated Brian Nosek! His real contribution was to build technology that massively reduced the cost of conducting empirical studies, paving the way to increased power for studies and massively easier efforts at replication.

What was my favorite part?

“People aren’t happy to get an email from me” he says. Mostly if you are a researcher and get a cold email from Brian it means he’s about to put your research to the replication test. Better be real!

Clips

Why should insurance people watch this episode?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/david-wright-73661214_brian-nosek-has-been-at-the-forefront-of-activity-6985586967119863808-Z1F7

No Change Without Fear by Paul Ingrey

episode page: https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/629958

youtube: https://youtu.be/ngOcTBshbx8

Why did I do this show?

Paul Ingrey is one of the most successful entrepreneurs in reinsurance history, having started several divisions/reinsurers over his career. He is also an early theorist of the insurance cycle. We need to study more history in insurance!

What was my favorite part?

One of the most amazing things about the very successful people I get to interview on this show is how much they are genuinely good people. This interview captures quite a lot of that quality which was great to experience and re-listen to.

What did I learn?

It’s very, very simple people. The cycle turns only when people are getting fired.

Here’s the cycle clock!

Three Puzzles In Insurance

In my career I noticed three strange things about insurance that made it stand out among other industries:

  1. Why does nobody ever want to buy insurance yet it is a massive industry? 
  2. Why do companies and individuals crave outside guidance (regulators, peers, rating agencies, etc) when making decisions about risk?
  3. Why was the discourse in the business so moralistic? 

I used to think insurance was strange, now actually I’m coming to think of insurance as the most human of all business pursuits and it’s all other commercial activity that’s weird.

As a result, I think the deep insight we’ll gain into insurance by answering each of these questions will also reveal much about human nature and, I think, a view into how our culture will evolve over the next decade, century and even coming millennia (assuming we don’t kill ourselves!).

So here are my answers as they stand today!

1. Why insurance exists despite nobody wanting it

I sometimes am surprised I don’t get more pushback on the premise of this statement. In some sense insurance is buying nothing (protection for some imaginary thing that hasn’t happened yet) for something (money). No right thinking ape would ever do such a thing and we are right to hate insurance and be very skeptical of its purchase. Even when we think it’s a good idea, do we really know? Daniel Kahneman won the Nobel Prize for his work showing how clouded our personal judgement is about risk.

But insurance exists because in another sense we actually know very well how poorly we understand risk and our culture has evolved systems for compelling us to protect ourselves. Insurance as we think of it today is just one feature embedded within a whole universe of risk management techniques. They mostly all, however, boil down to one simple concept: our cultural compatriots, our community, protect us from risk. It does this by your neighbor offering a couch if your heat conks out in the winter, by your spouse forcing you to buy life insurance or by the nation state mandating liability insurance for your use of the most dangerous tool humans have ever created, the automobile.

In short we buy insurance because it’s compulsory. The amazing thing about that is that we tolerate being compelled; we are forced to be our better selves by our community.

2. Why do companies and individuals crave outside guidance (regulators, peers, rating agencies, etc) when making decisions about risk? 

I noticed this when negotiating with insurers about how much capital they should hold (in a mix of money and reinsurance). Nobody knows how to answer the question, really. How do you tell how much risk you should take? How do you even think about risk? Who takes it? Wouldn’t it be better if someone just told you the answer?

There are exceptions to this rule in the form of some folks who have unusual conviction in their own judgement. Those types often wind up as entrepreneurs and make these kinds of decisions all the time. The rest of us, however, freeze in the face of this question, and seek answers elsewhere.

The answer to why is that we have literally evolved to think this way. By think I actually mean *not* think, as we usually define ‘think’, and instead mimic authority figures when confronted with uncertainty. Here I’d point the studious reader to a book by Joe Henrich or perhaps my podcast with him.

The key idea is to realize that the world is literally inconceivably complex and a single human mind cannot figure everything out for itself. We use culture as a playbook for thriving in the world, letting us use all kinds of technology we don’t understand by just copying others. This is quite literally the secret to Humanity’s dominance and risk decisions are but one teeny, tiny application of it. Even the most contrarian and independent minded entrepreneur is a mindless, mimicking automaton in the context of the amount of true understanding he/she has for how to navigate the world.

3. Why are insurance people so moralizing?

I do feel the need to defend this statement for a sec. One thing I noticed fairly early in my career (and it always made me bristle) was how viciously insurance underwriting teams criticize their competitors.

Competitor turning a profit? Must be cheating. Competitor lost money? Must have tried to cheat and failed.

Both success and failure are the result of moral inferiority. Insurers live in a continuous test of character. Are you sacrificing the future for a quick buck today? By our nature we are critical of others we don’t know but in insurance this human quality is dialed up to a white hot intensity.

The investigation into morality is probably one of the more surprising undercurrents of my podcast given its insurance focus, even to me! But this behavior really puzzled me and it was a while before I finally started locking onto an answer. And the beginning of the answer came from the work of another anthropologist, the little known Mary Douglas, in particular in her book with Aaron Wildavsky, *Risk and Culture*. I devoured that little book, it was like finding a barrel of water on a desert island.

The key here is that questions of uncertainty are resolved through social decision making, as I mentioned above. We have a term for social decision making processes, it’s called politics. And politics, in its purest form, is rooted in morality. As Jonathan Haidt teaches us in the excellent *The Righteous Mind* the fiercest political debates reduce to competing moral frameworks, to differences of emphasis of values we all mostly subscribe to. The piece that I could fill in after reading Mary Douglas was that morality is the foundation of our technology for making decisions about risk. Moral systems are what guide us in figuring out which risks to focus on and how do deal with them. In ancient societies this means rain dancing and food taboos and in modern societies it can mean what kind of insurance to buy!

I have much more to say on these topics, in particular about how we can use these insights to make a better society. Stay tuned!

Uwe Dulleck on Credence Goods

Episode link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/126848/9145342

youtube link: https://youtu.be/c9E7Zhk9o2w

Why did I do this show? It seemed to me that Credence Goods are a really important and underrated part of economics. I had no idea they existed until a few months before recording with Uwe as I was studying the sociology of selling insurance. There’s a whole category of analysis about buying under conditions of uncertainty and Uwe wrote the definitive theoretical paper on this.

What did I learn? It’s really hard to pick apart the things I learned in the episode with the things I learned studying for it. I think I mostly learned about how to use game theory to think through sales problems.

What was my favorite part? My least favorite part was how I didn’t really nail the part on Uwe’s working integrating of patent research with academic citations. It’s really neat!

COVID Conversation With Michael Tanzer

Michael Tanzer is a portfolio manager at a hedge fund called Callaway Capital and author of a newsletter I read each week call Stuff to Read Over The Weekend (STROTW). Michael asked me if we could hop on a call and talk about COVID and I thought I might try just putting this out as a podcast as an experiment. I might do more of these with various people as I struggle to make sense of this crisis, partly to get my own mind off the concerns I have for myself and my family. Let me know what you think!

We cover a lot of my own current thinking about how insurance responds to this crisis and also models for economic and market disruption and how COVID-19 fits into all this. Is it an insurance-style crisis hitting the border economy?

In the conversation we talk briefly about a book that sounds pretty interesting called Diary of a Very Bad Year. It’s a book of the real time experience of the economic crisis by a crisis feels. I shall check it out!

Martin Gurri on the Revolt of The Republic

Martin Gurri (youtubemp3) is an author and former CIA analyst whose book, the Revolt of the Republic, describes how and why we have political revolutions and a seeming explosion of negativity in media and politics. 

Martin spent his career analyzing media reports around the world and noticed the decline of the primacy of ‘papers of record’ coincided with big changes in political discourse everywhere. I normally avoid political analysis and discourse as mostly unproductive shouting but Martin stands out as a dispassionate and insightful observer of current events.

In this interview we compare various social media platforms, discuss what the public really wants and how we might get out of this mess. Martin has the unique distinction of recognizing the commonalities between Obama and Trump and his theory ties together movements on the left and the right.

One quick bit of extra background from my research: other than his own experience, Gurri drew on material from Walter Lippman, a mid-20th century journalist who feared that the spread of mass media would disempower the ‘elites’ in a destructive and destabilizing way. These elites wring their hands with every new ‘wave’ of media technology as Gurri describes in the book. And for the most part they’re wrong.

Is this time different? The pessimist might say it’s a question of degree rather than type.. We are an archer walking towards a target, the closer we get the better our chances. More democratization of media means more frequent and more violent and more random the revolutions. Even here!

The optimist says there is a direction to history. All technology is an amplification of human nature: mostly good and partly evil. There is a natural check pre-built inside us that stops the madness from overcoming the wisdom of crowds at scale for long. 

Gurri is careful to not come down too strongly on this but offers some predictions for the world might change: institutions of authority must become more open. It’s an interesting nod (head fake?) in the direction of that ultimate fascinating but not-sure-where-it’s-going technology of our day: blockchain. See my show with Steve Mildenhall on that most open of technologies. 

Thanks for listening!